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Topic:Apollo 10 'music' heard on far side of the moon
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SpaceAholicDefinitely the solar wind rushing by an improperly closed hatch or partially opened window.
randyI was just reading in "Carrying the Fire" where Mike Collins addresses this topic. They heard it on Apollo 11 and the technicians said it was interference between the CM and LM VHF radios. The reference for this is on page 420 of the paperback copy.
David CTranscripts classified until 2008? This so called "John Young music" has been public knowledge since at least the '70s. Why the sudden fuss?
Cozmosis22Remember Ron Evans talking about being all alone in the utter silence of the dark side during his many revs on Apollo 17. He spoke of the occasional strange "Beep... beep... beep... whoop" sounds which he jokingly said was a bit spooky. Talked to him after his speech and he said that they never did figure out what was causing those audio anomalies and it didn't really bother him.
Robert Pearlman
quote:
Originally posted by David C:
Why the sudden fuss?
The story is featured in the first episode of the new season of "NASA's Unexplained Files," premiering Tuesday (Feb. 23) on the Science Channel, with a "sneak peek" airing tonight.

The show's format is to take events from NASA's past that have unexpected hooks and play up the mysterious side of the story in order to engage the public. They then share what really happened by interviewing the history-makers, historians and authors — in this case Amy Shira Teitel, Andy Chaikin and Al Worden.

(I was interviewed for two episodes that will air in March.)

JonnyedSo, Robert, in March we get to hear you spill the beans on all of NASA x-files?! Should be fun.
Dave_JohnsonThose sounds were not VHF inter-radio interference, and I'm surprised that anyone would seriously suggest such.

There are examples abound of these types of signals from the Sun, Jupiter (which is quite radio-noisy), Saturn, etc. Even Earth's magnetosphere produces a myriad of different sound types — a sample of such can be heard here from the Juno mission fly-by of Earth a few years ago.

On the other end of the spectrum in VLF frequencies, there are online receivers that can be listened to that receive what are called "spherics" - atmospheric noises. These are pops, whistles, and other sounds like bacon frying. These can be heard here.

With the advent of the various planetary missions and the processed "sounds" from the radio data they've sent back, there's really no mystery here. Given that while going around the far-side of the Moon would effectively block signals (and radio noise) from Earth, reception of signals from deep space would not be unexpected.

PhilipJust saw the story of Apollo 10 radio interference in the news today... interesting event in orbit at the far side of the Moon.
Robert Pearlman
quote:
Originally posted by Dave_Johnson:
Those sounds were not VHF inter-radio interference, and I'm surprised that anyone would seriously suggest such.
Well, at least in 1969, NASA identified it as VHF interference, as Michael Collins described in his book, "Carrying the Fire":
There is a strange noise in my headset now, an eerie woo-woo sound. Had I not been warned about it, it would have scared the hell out of me.

Stafford's Apollo 10 crew had first heard it, during their practice rendezvous around the moon. Alone on the back side, they were more than a little surprised to hear a noise that John Young in the command module and Stafford in the LM each denied making. They gingerly mentioned it in their debriefing sessions, but fortunately the radio technicians (rather than the UFO fans) had a ready explanation for it: it was interference between the LM's and command module's VHF radios.

We heard it yesterday when we turned our VHF radios on after separating the two vehicles, and Neil said that it "sounds like wind whipping around the trees." It stopped as soon as the LM got on the ground, and started up again just a short time ago. A strange noise in a strange place.

NukeGuyDave Scott remarked during the Apollo 15 lunar ascent that it "...almost sounds like the wind rustling."

I believe they were suited up and using the suit communications at the time.

Robert PearlmanThis story has gone viral to the point that NASA has issued a response:
While listed as "confidential" in 1969 at the height of the Space Race, Apollo 10 mission transcripts and audio have been publicly available since 1973. Since the Internet did not exist in the Apollo era, NASA has only recently provided digital files for some of those earlier missions. The Apollo 10 audio clips were uploaded in 2012, but the mission's audio recordings have been available at the National Archives since the early 1970s.

As for the likely source of the sounds questioned in the television program, Apollo 10 Lunar Module Pilot Gene Cernan told NASA on Monday, "I don't remember that incident exciting me enough to take it seriously. It was probably just radio interference. Had we thought it was something other than that we would have briefed everyone after the flight. We never gave it another thought."

JonnyedDoes anyone know if every Apollo mission that circled the moon (including Apollo 13) heard the "interference" or "strange music" on the dark side, or is it only certain missions?
WehaveliftoffI have a CD of the sounds of the Voyager mission to Mars, Jupiter, and beyond. Many of these musical "songs" are the ions of solar plasma, out there oscillating in a certain tones, which are the sounds of interstellar space.
schnappsicleIt's things like this that will make returning to the moon fun and interesting. I wonder if the next generation of lunar explorers will hear the same noises, or will our advanced technology be able to filter out the sounds.

I think the fact that the sound was only present while the LM was separated from the CM (and in orbit) tells us in no uncertain terms where the sound was coming from.

Robert PearlmanAmy Shira Teitel spotlights this story in her latest Vintage Space video and article:

Dave_JohnsonHaving sampled a few of the audio clips that were noted as being posted by NASA a few posts back, I have to change my comments from earlier. The actual sounds in the recordings could be interference, as they sound like heterodyne signals. Also, the frequency changes remind me of doppler-shifts of signals.

My initial comments were based on the sounds presented in the program clips in the first post. Having heard those before, I searched and found the sounds the show used for the segment. It would appear that they are radio emissions from Saturn, as received from the Cassini spacecraft. They are virtually identical.

Space Cadet CarlReminds me of the strange sounds heard when the ascent stages of Apollo 15 "Falcon" and Apollo 16 "Orion" launched back up into lunar orbit. Back on Earth, we could all hear a "blowing wind" sound that started at a rather low frequency at lunar liftoff. That "blowing wind" sound kept slowly ramping up and increasing in frequency as the LM reached higher altitudes toward orbit. All of us heard this sound back on Earth and it was kind of weird.

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